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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:44 pm



Did this for a Missions Character I am making. Spike is a combo Decker (Myabe Technomancer)/Face. Spike's "brother" is an ork rapper/runner named Ton Deff [tone deaf]. Rock-C is my wife's dwarf Combat Engineer (B&E and Combat Specialist) and Sparks is a placeholder for Ton Deff's IRL wife's character. Candy is the girl at the concert my character is looking at. Tried capturing some of that AR ADHD that serious deckers would have.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:50 pm

Excellent Cool 

Very good impression of AR. So he's on a concert and listening in on his runner team while they are on an actual run? I hope he isn't supposed to support them on the matrix?

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:37 pm

Nah, he didn't go on the run (they didn't invite him), but he habitually checks on them anyway. I call the picture "Spike's Candy Crush"
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:50 pm

A cute candy crush indeed.

Did you use DAZ3d for the girl? It's what I use for my pictures.



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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:27 pm

I wish - I don't have the cash for any good models, clothes, or props - it's someone else's stuff that I kitbashed. If you're ever feeling froggy, I got PLENTY of ideas I'd love to see come to life. I know Photoshop and Sketchup pretty extensively, but my use of Daz is pretty basic. I haven't posted it to my DeviantArt because I would have to get permission from all of the artists I kitbashed from, and it's just not worth the effort. Honestly it was just a lark pic anyway Smile

In other news, I've found an awesome motivate pic:

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:13 am

Darkon wrote:
Finally managed to write a short post.

Kesslan, if you like, I can roll perception. Would it come with any boni or mali?

At this point you won't really net anything extra. It's one of those cases where you'd honestly be looking for things that aren't there and what you see is all there really is.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:32 pm

Mikel, I'd be glad to make a render or two for you. Just give me a description of what you want. Smile

I can't promise anything of course, but my model library is relatively extensive. By the way, on renderocity dot com, there is a lot of stuff in the free section.

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:11 am

Darkon, I forget (rather don't want to go searching back through the thread) - is your spirit doing an improved invisibility effect, or just invisibility? Specifically, does it work vs cameras?
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:13 am

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I can't promise anything of course, but my model library is relatively extensive. By the way, on renderocity dot com, there is a lot of stuff in the free section.

Yeah, but the only model I have is Genesis, and Genesis clothing is pretty uncommon in the free stuff. I've tried making the Michael and Victoria stuff work, but it just doesn't. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:36 am

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Yeah, but the only model I have is Genesis, and Genesis clothing is pretty uncommon in the free stuff. I've tried making the Michael and Victoria stuff work, but it just doesn't.   Sad

I've sent you a PM. Hopefully it will help you.

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:21 am

So how do we want to proceed head off to? Gala seems to have RL pop up so is us for now.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:48 am

Unless we find something interesting and/or dangerous, we should continue snooping around. Very Happy


Mikel Amroni wrote:
Darkon, I forget (rather don't want to go searching back through the thread) - is your spirit doing an improved invisibility effect, or just invisibility? Specifically, does it work vs cameras?

It is stated as concealment on the physical and/or on the astral plane. The spirits magic rating (usually= force) is substracted from any perception test used to locate the concealed or objects.

It is not invisibility. As I understand it, concealment works on all senses. Or maybe it just diverts attention? It's not really explained in the rulebook. (20th anniversary core rulebook p.293)

Now the question is, do cameras roll perception tests? Or the people behind them? Or not at all?

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:08 pm

That's honestly a tricky question as there's about 4 different ways it could go:

1) It doesn't help you hide from cameras at all
2) The people viewing the footage/stream need to roll perception to notice
3) The camera needs to roll a sensor test
4) Perception is required with live feed but you still show up on recordings without need for a test.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:49 am

The power is stated as Type: P(hysical).

I think it should work on cameras too, so they should need to roll a sensor test. It's how I would rule as GM

But you're the GM in this game. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:22 pm

The question however then comes up if some one is watching through the camera for example. Is it just the camera that checks, the person + Camera (similar to a rigger running a drone), or just the person? Is the person even affected at all as they are not in the area and thus in theory beyond any range the ability has? The LOS refers specifically to maintaining/casting the spell so that doesn't really play into it. In the end it's sort of a beefed up magical version of ruthenium. It's not 'real' invisibility as it only applies a negative to perception tests though if a spirit/critter were powerful enough it would amount to the exact same thing or be even better than.

Speaking of, I forget what force that spirit is?

I think in this situation after looking it over, at least under SR4A rules it would apply towards technology the same way ruthenium would (Just with the added bonus of hiding from all forms of vision etc). Meaning rating vs sensors + Autosoft or Sensors + Operator with the highest rating sensor being used for the test.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:39 am

Improved invisibility does affect an observer looking at the camera feed just the same as the camera itself, right? So, as concealment is physical, I would say the effect ripples through the information line that is Camera-screen-operator-observer

I think the spirit was force 7 as this was the strongest Darkon could manage without risk and there were a lot of people (and critters) to be concealed.

Another question. The rule text states it subtracts dice from perception rolls. Would that mean other senses than vision too? Hearing, smell and so on?

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:15 am

It means all forms of detection that utilize perception. This is why I say for sensors I'd rule they would use the highest rated sensor available (As sensors are often a 'package' of different detection methods, some which are not equal to the others. Sensor rating is just an 'average' of all the combined sensors). The power also specifically notes it affects the astral which is unusual.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:03 pm

It is unusual. But a very useful complet package. Wink The power only works on physical plane and astral plane simultaneously when the critter is dual natured, in case of a spirit, it would have to be materialized.
Which the earth spirit is, by the way.

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:59 am

No I mean the astral component is specifically mentions it's ability to conceal things from the astral.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:29 pm

So The spirit is obscuring us with a penalty to the sensors of the camera's controlling pilot/agent program. Check. And what about my question about can Darkon move the cameras enough (perhaps with levitation) to avoid us even being in the frame?
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:40 pm

I'd say to move them around, He'd need magic fingers. Levitate takes a whole object and moves it. Not parts of it.

Of course, he might levitate a chair or a pair of tongues and push that against the camera to move it. But that might get noticed. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:22 am

So unfortunately I'm going to have to put the game on Hiatus as the Army decided to finally claim me. As a result I have to report to basic training on the 30th of this month. I likely won't have any internet access for several months as a result.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:33 am

Understandable and thank you for serving.
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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:46 am

Now that sucks. And not in a good way.

Be safe, stay alive and please come back in one piece.

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PostSubject: Re: Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - OOC Chat   Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:13 pm

It's only basic training Darkon, not deployment to a war zone. Worst case I frag up my shoulder again and wind up medically ineligible for service.
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