OOC - We Be Gangers

5-30 seconds for unconsciousness depending on how big he is, 2-5 minutes till death from asphyxiation. Either way, that's at least 2 combat turns till the guy is out. It's not a matter of strain, but of how much oxygen is in the blood stream. I think from a gm's stand point, it would be a stamina check, so body + will I think, health of the person plus the (meta)human will to live.

As far as ghost continuing to maneuver, those would be a serious of subduing checks, your normal unarmed combat roll +/- any modifiers (bet you wish you took a martial arts like wrestling now aren't you?), then its your Strength + net hits compared to his Body, the bad guy is immobilized if your score is greater obviously. To break out of the lock, the defender must take a complex action (well duh, it's melee) and succeed in a strength + unarmed combat test with a threshold equal to the net hits scored on the grappling test, if he fails, he's still your bitch.

During this bit o' grappling you can maintain the grapple by using a complex action, but you can also try to get a better grip by performing yet another unarmed combat attack test. The defender defends as per normal, but you get the Superior position bonus. You can also inflict stun damage equal to your strength, which can be resisted as normal stun damage and he gets to include impact armor. Lastly, you can also try to knock him/her down using the rules for attacking to knock down, you get the superior position bonus.

This was all basically quoted from the core rule book, pages 150-152, don't mess with a man who hasn't slept in 3 days straight.

Thanks Phantom i knew i could count on you for rules should have just asked you

You're welcome, now time for shower, sleep, then post, then work, not necessarily in that order.

OK so up to Gala however you want to do it let me know i think phantoms got the idea though and yeah as for martial arts specialization i wanted to do it in game to reflect his growth in game see how that works Good
RP can not be faked people. l read the same rules phantom "" so yeah im feel the same way but ill wait for BIG G

I will forgo the stun damage as its probably not going to make it threw armor he's got sooo yeah there that. I just want him to shoot his friends if anyone and not get loose lol so yeah i think we good till G rules im not going to further maneuver that's it for me.

OH i like the description Phantom gave us for the choke thing as far as time is concerned i cant tell you when how many times i had trouble putting people to sleep cause i did not know how long to hold them usually someone broke it up but darn i was close lol and in class they always tap so you the only way in RL i could close someones eyes is tap that jaw. So thanks phantom now i know but i don't really fight anymore kinda childish and its a kids game really.

So i edited my post to reflect my intent not going for a better grip just explaining the one i have and raising the gun arm i assume he's more concerned with choking then with where his gun is pointing lol i hope...

Yeah Ghost; that's just a fail... I don't get to do fun things to you, like a malfunction in your Wired-Reflexes in your arm... Ahh, critical glitches are just SO MUCH FUN! You all should try and get them more often!

mumbles about hating Glitches and getting bad rolls fragging dice gods...

Jason/KJ; need a post out of you.

I'll try to get my posting to be more frequent, sorry this one took me three days to get up.

Your doing better then me dude lol

kaz, we're at completely different locations, you guys are at a warehouse, i'm at their Gang hang out.

Ghost: It's a simple question regarding Body choking the guy out. You do damage while in subdual. When your damage exceeds his stun capacity, he passes out. The rules are actually quite clear on that. Further, a good choke would be a called shot; and called shots do, wait for it: more damage! Therefore, they choke the guy out faster! Let me know if you followed all of that.

KJ: Jason already had his weapon out, so you don't need to draw it.

[EDIT]: Also, you're right behind the wall of the warehouse, and you saw shooting. Jason has a clear picture of who the enemies are, and where to find them.
Roll a perception, as a free action, at the beginning of your turn.

1 Success or more will keep you from shooting at Body. Failure will give me a random chance that you shoot at him. Critical Glitch, and that random chance becomes no longer random.

[EDIT 2]: My guess is that, if given a chance, the group would prefer for you to shoot with both of your simple actions, not taking aim... But that's just my guess.

ill edit my post and add my perception roll

KJ: Thank you for adding the perception roll. The 2 successes is more than enough to guarantee that you don't hit Body because you didn't see him.

Now, you don't need to take aim, but we do need to know what you want to do with your turn. Here are the options:

Choose a target and fire. You may do this twice.
Choose a target and take aim. You may do this twice.
Choose a target, take aim, then fire. This is a full round choice.
Hold action.

It sounds like you want to Hold Action, but I need you to actually say that before I can move on.

Dwarf: I love your descriptions, but you're going to have to come up with new ones. That roll is is neither a failure, nor a glitch. That roll is a success. Go ahead and re-type, and let me know when you've updated.

I am not expecting Duke to post in, since Havick got called back to war. I will NPC him until he says otherwise. But Tink, you're up.

[EDIT]: Dwarf: for future situations: a Glitch ONLY occurs when you have 1/2 of your dice come up as 1s. Further, a Glitch does not automatically constitute a failure; a failure occurs when you do not reach your target number of successes. So you CAN have BOTH a Glitch and a Success. What happens is up to the GM; but often it will turn out that the success occurred in a strange way.
Furthermore, your description would have been closer to a Critical Glitch, rather than a normal Glitch. Critical Glitches only occur if you have a Glitch (1/2 or more of your dice come up as 1s) AND you have 0 successes.

Oh Gala, I was reading up Quick draw, and it showed that you needed 3 successes to quick draw a weapon if you don't have a Quick draw holster, so I definately failed the test. But I am MORE than happy to change my description and shoot the bastards in the face. Really. Seriously let me shoot someone. I will totally love you.

You're right. I misread the dice and thought I had glitched, I will edit that. I saw so many 1s I couldn't focus between the tears.

3 1s? Caused tears? Wow, that keeps things interesting for me... I should show you some of MY rolls. Or Ghostmakers! He actually DID get a Critical Glitch earlier!

A failed Quickdraw does not cause you to drop the weapon, it simply means that the action of drawing your weapon takes the full simple action instead of allowing you to draw and fire in the same action. Your turn includes two simple actions. The first is to draw your weapon. The second may be to shoot, if you desire it. Read a little past the rules for success, and you will see what happens when you fail. It's right there in the book.

Yeah... The drop was because I thought I had glitched.

Anyway, my post is changed. I drew (slowly), then paniced and headed for cover.

Thanks Dwarf. I noticed that you're running for cover. While that is an admirable survival tactic, you're already behind the sheet-metal siding for the building. I posted that in for you, and the rest of the team, at the end of the last round. You may update that if you wish, or leave it as is.

In the mean time: Tink/Duke, you two have until Phantom posts in for Leon before I move the plot forward in your absence.

thanks tink use me as a troll shield why dont you i know how it goes the more mass in front of moving projectiles the more protection one with less body size has lol

Ok KJ, your action was held. It's use it or lose it time now. Everyone else has gone.

Tink: good shooting.

KJ: You have to roll your shot. Sliverguns are kickin' weapons. But you have to roll your pistols+agility so that I can see if you hit.

on it

KJ: FYI: you can re-roll that six, since you used edge. I took the liberty of doing so for you, and I got a 5. So you have 2 hits, not just 1.

Guys, I will post up in a few hours. I am heading to work now.

Ghost: That doesn't cost you your turn, and you still need to take your turn.